Transcript of Oral History Interview with Sister Eucharista Galvin
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Transcript of Oral History Interview with Sister Eucharista Galvin
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An oral history interview with Sister Eucharista Galvin about the foundation of the United States Federation of the Sisters of St. Joseph. This interview was conducted by Sister Ann Thomasine Sampson on April 28, 1978 and was transcribed by Sister Jane Salmon on November 14, 1990.
This oral history is part of the larger U.S. Oral History Research Project conducted by the Federation.
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Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet-St. Paul Province
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Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet-St. Paul Province
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EUCHARISTAGALVIN_023-029_001
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Martha Smith Archives and Research Center
Avila University
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U.S. Federation of the Sisters of St. Joseph archival records
Sister Eucharista Galvin – Foundress, 1965-1970
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Foundation of the U.S. Federation of the Sisters of St. Joseph
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Sister Ann Thomasine Sampson
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Federation of Sisters of St-Joseph RESEARCH PROJECT FEDERATION RESEARCH OFFICE 2307 South Lindbergh Boulevard Saint Louis, Missouri 63131 Interviewee: S. Eucharista Galvin Interviewer: S. Ann Thomasine Sampson Date: April 28, 1978 Sister Eucharista makes references to "events" most likely on a list which she received prior to this interview. In some cases it is impossible to know the subject of the conversation. SAT: I am going to be interviewing Sister Eucharista and the role that she played in the establishment of the Federation of the Sisters of St. Joseph in the United States. Sr.Antonia O'Brien recently received a letter from Sr. Margaret Quinn, the archivist for the Federation, and Sr. Margaret was very much interested in getting Sister Eucharista's recollections and memoirs regarding the establishment of the Federation. Later Sister Margaret wrote a letter to Sister Eucharista and outlined some questions that she wanted, so I am going to have Sister Eucharista tell the story like it was from the recollections she has when she was Reverend Mother of the Sisters of St. Joseph. (Short conversation re how to do this interview: S.E. chose to use questions as an outline, but just to talk.) Ques: How did these events lead to the Federation at all? SE: I think that each one that was mentioned had some impact upon it, but as I recall, the first time that the Sisters of St. Joseph during my period of office met together was at the annual meeting of Major Superiors of the United States. At that time (1954) most of the Congregations did set aside some part of the day or evening at which they would meet as a group (Dominicans, Franciscans, etc.), and so we decided that we would also meet at that time, and so each year we did have a little meeting, and out of that came the Inter-Congregational Bulletin which was edited by one or other of the groups each time it came out, and it carried most of the ideas that the Communities were putting into effect in regard to Sister Formation of the time, and then after a few years in 1959, The Sisters of St. Joseph decided that the Maxims needed to be re-written, and so there was a meeting at Carondelet. There was a meeting before in Mother Killian's time, but they didn't get around to finishing the work or even getting it into operation, but in 1959 a group of Communities got together to work on it to re-do the "Little Design". SAT: Now who spear-headed that group? Was that ours, or another Community? SE: It was our group that put it into operation. The committee members were S. Emily Joseph of New York, S. St. Eleanor of Chestnut Hill, S. Elizabeth Patricia. The names of the people who did this work are in the Spiritual Legacy of Peter Medaille. That was the second thing we did as a group. (S.E. backtracks here and seems to be quoting from the Inter-Cong. Bulletin. This is the Foreword of the first issue of the Bulletin by various Congregations of the Sisters of St. Joseph stemming from the original Sisters of Carondelet. It is a new venture begun in 1958. From time to time through the years an attempt was made to gather items from each of the Congregations that promised to be of interest and profit to all and which would bring about a closer association resulting, it is hoped, in an ever-growing appreciation of the ideals of their saintly founder. Then I'm not sure how many volumes there were, but there were several annual volumes. m I 2 SAT: Now who would put out that Bulletin? Did various groups decide to do the printing, or did they take their turns, or was this in the hands of just a few? SE: I don"t remember that. SAT: Well, we could look that up. SE: I think it was the Community, the ones who did it, and then they paid so much a copy for it. That was all there was to it. If it was done in Cleveland, they did it in Cleveland. And then shortly before my term of office expired, we wrote to all the Communities who had motherhouses in the United States that stemmed from Carondelet directly or indirectly, and then they wrote back some rather questioning letters about whether this was leading to union and how much the dues would be, and so forth. I wrote back a second letter telling them that it would be whatever they made it; that what I was interested in was the possibility of joining in the Federation which would be a greater force in the Church and a strength for each other, and that since our foundations were the same, it would be worth trying, and then they wrote back. I don't think that we had any meeting as such, but finally we got the replies which were positive from most of the Congregations - some were diocesan, some were not, but this little Federation had made us closer to one another, and that was helpful to us when we went to Japan and Peru. Although the Federation wasn't operative, the contacts we had had with the other Communities made it very much easier for us because when we went off to Japan, the Visitation Sisters were there and they took us in very cordially. Also in Peru, the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston came down after we were there, and we did what we could for them. They told us how they happened to go. They were in the Cathedral at a celebration of some kind, and Cardinal Cusing announced that the Sisters of St. Joseph were going to Peru. SAT: Without ever consulting them? SE: And there they were! SAT: Now tell me was it just before this time that we were asked by the Holy Father to examine the roots and the spirit of the founder, or did that come in later? SE: No, I think there was some influence from Rome in the idea of becoming a Federation - at least of binding ourselves together more strongly than we had, that is, of all Communities, but I don't recall that that had any special bearing. As far as I know, after I left office, Sr. Seraphine invited the members of the Federation-to-be to come to Carondelet to work on the Constitution, etc., which they did. SAT: Now, one of the Sisters told me that there was a meeting down at St. Louis, no, at Notre Dame that she attended. Was theere any meeting of the Federation at Notre Dame? SE: No, that was a kind of Institute of Major Superiors.SAT: Oh, I see. Page 3. SE: All Communites, not just Sisters of St. Joseph, were there. SAT: That had nothing to do with the Federation. Then she had that mixed up. SE: I don't know if they called it an Institute... it was two or three days. SAT: Did you ever attend any of those meetings later on when the Federation was finally formed? SE: No. SAT: You never even got to the one here at the College of St. Catherine? SE: Oh, yes. SAT: Oh, you got to that one. SE: That's about all I have to say about it. SAT: Do you want to take some of these questions then that Sister has given here so that we might find something else? SE: I'll answer the first one. SAT: How did these events CSMW (I don't know what that means) SE: Congregation of Major Superiors of Women SAT: In other words, the Inter-Congregational Bulletin was the result of this then? SE: Of the meetings that we had of the Major Superiors, yes. SAT: Now what were the time and circumstances of the first suggestions? You were also bringing up the point, Sister, about the fact that so many Sisters had come to visit at Carondelet. SE: Well, that's true. They did if they had the chance to come to St. Louis, or if they were there for some reason. They always came, and we tried to be very cordial. There was no effort, in fact, I didn't see any particular thing that was done for them that wasn't done for all the others. SAT: I'm also asking this because they are all talking about archives, and maybe this is beyond this, but you established the archives also, didn't you, at the Generalate? SE: OH, no. SAT: Or did you have Sr. Grace Aurelia re-do them, or Sr. Rose de Lima? SE: No, I didn't, but you see we moved from Carondelet to Frontenac, and then of course, necessarily we had to make the transition. SAT: I don't know where I got that wrong idea that you were the one. Page 4. SE: No, we probably did some organizing of them in the new place. The archives room is owned by and is under Carondelet. But we did some-we had the letters put under celophane, and as far as I know, the archives, I think have difficulty down there. We were careful to keep things in the archives, and I'm not sure that they haven't been weeded out a little bit. SAT: Well, let's see. We've answered the question then "Who raised the possibility, you"? SE: I think I did. SAT: Who was your Assistant at the time? SE: Sister Edward Marie. SAT: Did you talk it over with the Council? SE: Yes, the Council talked it over. We talked about it, and there were Sr. St. John, Sr. Edward Marie, Sr. Grace Aurelia and Sr. Ann Edward. SAT: Now this is then before, it certainly is before 1965. SE: I don't remeber that we did anything at Major Superior Meetings in 1965, but I wouldn't be sure. SAT: What were the expectations of the Federation? SE: Well, a closer bond of union and a stronger influence in the Church. I think that was all. SAT: Could you say that even though we were Sisters of St. Joseph that you could see some major differences in the various groups or not? Or would you say basically that they had the same spirit? SE: Well, of course, some of these were Congregations and some of them were diocesan, And it may have been a little influence for some of them going to Congregational or Papal Institutes. SAT: What about the other groups that didn't stem from Carondelet like the Sisters who came over in the early 1900's? SE: That's right. I think since that time, but I'm not sure but I think I heard that the Sisters of St. Joseph of Bourg had asked to join in, and I suppose they did. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't. They have the same Rule. They're from Le Puy, not Lyons. In fact, all of ours aren't from Lyons either. Some of them are from De Molay, or some place like that in France. SAT: I was thinking of those groups that came in during the time of the early 1900's when France ousted the Sisters, and then they went along like the group at St. Augustine in Florida. SE: Well, yes, but St. Augustine, Florida broke off from Georgia, I think, and the ones from Arizona broke off from—what was that little New York town— Ohio, I think. A Jesuit just took them out and took the Rule, and then they asked to join our Community a little later. Up in Superior, they are not sure who is their founder. They've been having some hard times in that respect. Then another thing that probably did something to bind the Sisters together is the fact that they were going to the Regina Mundi. Some of the different groups were there, and that is where they seemed to be very much at home with one another. Now as far as question three is concerned, that material would probably be in the archives in St. Louis. SAT: What was the role of Father Ransing? (spelling of name uncertain) SE: Well, Ransing was one of the Holy Cross Fathers who was sort of an advisor for the Major Superiors. He was in Rome, and whenever we got into difficulty, or when we wanted a dispensation in a hurry or something like that, we could call up Fr. Ransing, and he would take care of it. So he was very helpful, but as far as this group was concerned, I don't recall that he he probably said it was a fine thing, or something like that, but I don't think there was any other. If there was, I don't remember it. SAT: Should he be asked for a statement? SE: "Thank God I got out of it" is probably what he would say. (S.E. is laugh- as she says this, so it is a bit indistinct) SAT: Is he still living? SE: I imagine he is, but I think he is probably retired. Ques. Were the Statutes approved by Rome? SE: I believe them to be. Ques. How do you see the foundation of the Federation? SE: I think it's a good thing, and I hope that it prospers. Ques. Has it been true to its goal? SE: I haven't done much following of it since I left office, and that would have to be answered by the people who are in it now. Ques. How has it fostered? SE: As far as my own feeling is concerned, I'm happy about it. I din't mention but I think one of the reasons was that there seemed to be a sort of a friction, not exactly a friction, but a coldness between the different Communities which was unnecessary. Some of them , like George who left here, you know, left a certain bad feeling behind, and those things, I think were wiped out by the union of the Federation. SAT: Don't you think there was a kind of a spirit of rivalry for awhile anyway, among all Communities? SE: Yes, Yes, I think there was, and if the St. Joseph's would stick together, (laughing makes a few words here impossible to discern) which is good human nature. Now if you would fill in these forms for Sr. Margaret Quinn I will be glad. I will end up by saying that I'm an old lady, and I've forgotten a lot. 1 6. SAT: How old are you? SE: Eighty-five SAT: Well, you've got a tremendous memory, and I know this hard to do at this stage. SE: Yes, because I haven't even thought of it , you know, for fifteen years. SAT: Now, just for the record, you were in office from 19?? SE: 1954 to 1966, May 6th I think was the day SAT: that you went into office SE: the Superior General office (S.E. seems to be leafing through papers here, and she continues with the following remarks) Make a little introduction here to the Legacy that tells you a little bit about the formation here, I think. This is a re-print; it doesn't tell the translation that was made of the ascetical review and the mystique of the Order, and it gives the members of the committee here. It doesn't say..the working committee is here, and we are all proud of the different Communities (much noise). SAT: I was going to ask you another question, because during your time you had the Congregation's history re-written. Did that have anything to do with the ______ because I notice in the back you have that chart that shows all the Communities that are an outgrowth of Carondelet. SE: We just did that for our own benefit. It wasn't anything that we were doing together SAT: for the other Communities. Well, I'll see how I can write this up. SE: Oh, I'd be so happy if you would. SAT: I'm not sure now that I'm going to get all this straight, but I'll do the best that I can. SE: And tell her I did the best I could. SAT: All right, I'll do that. Are these your bulletins? SE: No, they are from the archives. You have one of these. From this point on S. Eucharista seems to be making comments from back issues of Inter-Congregational Bulletins. She seems to be very tired because her words are slurred, and it is practically impossible to understand what she is saying.
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Federation of Sisters of St-Joseph RESEARCH PROJECT FEDERATION RESEARCH OFFICE 2307 South Lindbergh Boulevard Saint Louis, Missouri 63131 Interviewee: S. Eucharista Galvin Interviewer: S. Ann Thomasine Sampson Date: April 28, 1978 Sister Eucharista makes references to "events" most likely on a list which she received prior to this interview. In some cases it is impossible to know the subject of the conversation. SAT: I am going to be interviewing Sister Eucharista and the role that she played in the establishment of the Federation of the Sisters of St. Joseph in the United States. Sr.Antonia O'Brien recently received a letter from Sr. Margaret Quinn, the archivist for the Federation, and Sr. Margaret was very much interested in getting Sister Eucharista's recollections and memoirs regarding the establishment of the Federation. Later Sister Margaret wrote a letter to Sister Eucharista and outlined some questions that she wanted, so I am going to have Sister Eucharista tell the story like it was from the recollections she has when she was Reverend Mother of the Sisters of St. Joseph. (Short conversation re how to do this interview: S.E. chose to use questions as an outline, but just to talk.) Ques: How did these events lead to the Federation at all? SE: I think that each one that was mentioned had some impact upon it, but as I recall, the first time that the Sisters of St. Joseph during my period of office met together was at the annual meeting of Major Superiors of the United States. At that time (1954) most of the Congregations did set aside some part of the day or evening at which they would meet as a group (Dominicans, Franciscans, etc.), and so we decided that we would also meet at that time, and so each year we did have a little meeting, and out of that came the Inter-Congregational Bulletin which was edited by one or other of the groups each time it came out, and it carried most of the ideas that the Communities were putting into effect in regard to Sister Formation of the time, and then after a few years in 1959, The Sisters of St. Joseph decided that the Maxims needed to be re-written, and so there was a meeting at Carondelet. There was a meeting before in Mother Killian's time, but they didn't get around to finishing the work or even getting it into operation, but in 1959 a group of Communities got together to work on it to re-do the "Little Design". SAT: Now who spear-headed that group? Was that ours, or another Community? SE: It was our group that put it into operation. The committee members were S. Emily Joseph of New York, S. St. Eleanor of Chestnut Hill, S. Elizabeth Patricia. The names of the people who did this work are in the Spiritual Legacy of Peter Medaille. That was the second thing we did as a group. (S.E. backtracks here and seems to be quoting from the Inter-Cong. Bulletin. This is the Foreword of the first issue of the Bulletin by various Congregations of the Sisters of St. Joseph stemming from the original Sisters of Carondelet. It is a new venture begun in 1958. From time to time through the years an attempt was made to gather items from each of the Congregations that promised to be of interest and profit to all and which would bring about a closer association resulting, it is hoped, in an ever-growing appreciation of the ideals of their saintly founder. Then I'm not sure how many volumes there were, but there were several annual volumes. m I 2 SAT: Now who would put out that Bulletin? Did various groups decide to do the printing, or did they take their turns, or was this in the hands of just a few? SE: I don"t remember that. SAT: Well, we could look that up. SE: I think it was the Community, the ones who did it, and then they paid so much a copy for it. That was all there was to it. If it was done in Cleveland, they did it in Cleveland. And then shortly before my term of office expired, we wrote to all the Communities who had motherhouses in the United States that stemmed from Carondelet directly or indirectly, and then they wrote back some rather questioning letters about whether this was leading to union and how much the dues would be, and so forth. I wrote back a second letter telling them that it would be whatever they made it; that what I was interested in was the possibility of joining in the Federation which would be a greater force in the Church and a strength for each other, and that since our foundations were the same, it would be worth trying, and then they wrote back. I don't think that we had any meeting as such, but finally we got the replies which were positive from most of the Congregations - some were diocesan, some were not, but this little Federation had made us closer to one another, and that was helpful to us when we went to Japan and Peru. Although the Federation wasn't operative, the contacts we had had with the other Communities made it very much easier for us because when we went off to Japan, the Visitation Sisters were there and they took us in very cordially. Also in Peru, the Sisters of St. Joseph of Boston came down after we were there, and we did what we could for them. They told us how they happened to go. They were in the Cathedral at a celebration of some kind, and Cardinal Cusing announced that the Sisters of St. Joseph were going to Peru. SAT: Without ever consulting them? SE: And there they were! SAT: Now tell me was it just before this time that we were asked by the Holy Father to examine the roots and the spirit of the founder, or did that come in later? SE: No, I think there was some influence from Rome in the idea of becoming a Federation - at least of binding ourselves together more strongly than we had, that is, of all Communities, but I don't recall that that had any special bearing. As far as I know, after I left office, Sr. Seraphine invited the members of the Federation-to-be to come to Carondelet to work on the Constitution, etc., which they did. SAT: Now, one of the Sisters told me that there was a meeting down at St. Louis, no, at Notre Dame that she attended. Was theere any meeting of the Federation at Notre Dame? SE: No, that was a kind of Institute of Major Superiors.SAT: Oh, I see. Page 3. SE: All Communites, not just Sisters of St. Joseph, were there. SAT: That had nothing to do with the Federation. Then she had that mixed up. SE: I don't know if they called it an Institute... it was two or three days. SAT: Did you ever attend any of those meetings later on when the Federation was finally formed? SE: No. SAT: You never even got to the one here at the College of St. Catherine? SE: Oh, yes. SAT: Oh, you got to that one. SE: That's about all I have to say about it. SAT: Do you want to take some of these questions then that Sister has given here so that we might find something else? SE: I'll answer the first one. SAT: How did these events CSMW (I don't know what that means) SE: Congregation of Major Superiors of Women SAT: In other words, the Inter-Congregational Bulletin was the result of this then? SE: Of the meetings that we had of the Major Superiors, yes. SAT: Now what were the time and circumstances of the first suggestions? You were also bringing up the point, Sister, about the fact that so many Sisters had come to visit at Carondelet. SE: Well, that's true. They did if they had the chance to come to St. Louis, or if they were there for some reason. They always came, and we tried to be very cordial. There was no effort, in fact, I didn't see any particular thing that was done for them that wasn't done for all the others. SAT: I'm also asking this because they are all talking about archives, and maybe this is beyond this, but you established the archives also, didn't you, at the Generalate? SE: OH, no. SAT: Or did you have Sr. Grace Aurelia re-do them, or Sr. Rose de Lima? SE: No, I didn't, but you see we moved from Carondelet to Frontenac, and then of course, necessarily we had to make the transition. SAT: I don't know where I got that wrong idea that you were the one. Page 4. SE: No, we probably did some organizing of them in the new place. The archives room is owned by and is under Carondelet. But we did some-we had the letters put under celophane, and as far as I know, the archives, I think have difficulty down there. We were careful to keep things in the archives, and I'm not sure that they haven't been weeded out a little bit. SAT: Well, let's see. We've answered the question then "Who raised the possibility, you"? SE: I think I did. SAT: Who was your Assistant at the time? SE: Sister Edward Marie. SAT: Did you talk it over with the Council? SE: Yes, the Council talked it over. We talked about it, and there were Sr. St. John, Sr. Edward Marie, Sr. Grace Aurelia and Sr. Ann Edward. SAT: Now this is then before, it certainly is before 1965. SE: I don't remeber that we did anything at Major Superior Meetings in 1965, but I wouldn't be sure. SAT: What were the expectations of the Federation? SE: Well, a closer bond of union and a stronger influence in the Church. I think that was all. SAT: Could you say that even though we were Sisters of St. Joseph that you could see some major differences in the various groups or not? Or would you say basically that they had the same spirit? SE: Well, of course, some of these were Congregations and some of them were diocesan, And it may have been a little influence for some of them going to Congregational or Papal Institutes. SAT: What about the other groups that didn't stem from Carondelet like the Sisters who came over in the early 1900's? SE: That's right. I think since that time, but I'm not sure but I think I heard that the Sisters of St. Joseph of Bourg had asked to join in, and I suppose they did. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't. They have the same Rule. They're from Le Puy, not Lyons. In fact, all of ours aren't from Lyons either. Some of them are from De Molay, or some place like that in France. SAT I was thinking of those groups that came in during the time of the early 1900's when France ousted the Sisters, and then they went along like the group at St. Augustine in Florida. S.E. Well, yes, but St. Augustine, Florida broke off from Georgia, I think, and the ones from Arizona broke off from—what was that little New York town— Ohio, I think. A Jesuit just took them out and took the Rule, and then they asked to join our Community a little later. Up in Superior, they are 5. Ques. not sure who is their founder. They've been having some hard times in that respect. Then another thing that probably did something to bind the Sisters together is the fact that they were going to the Regina Mundi. Some of the different groups were there, and that is where they seemed to be very much at home with one another. Now as far as question three is concerned, that material would probably be in the archives in St. Louis. ,r a on s t« 4 What was the role of Father Ransing? (spelling of name uncertain) S.E. Well, Ransing was one of the Holy Cross Fathers who was sort of an advisor for the Major Superiors. He was in Rome, and whenever we got into diffi- culty, or when we wanted a dispensation in a hurry or something like that, we could call up Fr. Ransing, and he would take care of it. So he was very helpful, but as far as this group was concerned, I don't recall that he he probably said it was a fine thing, or something like that, but I don't think there was any other. If there was, I don't remember it. SAT Should he be asked for a statement? S.E. "Thank God I got out of it" is probably what he would say. (S.E. is laugh- as she says this, so it is a bit indistinct) SAT Is he still living? S.E. I imagine he is, but I think he is probably retired. Ques. Were the Statutes approved by Rome? S.E. I believe them to be. Ques. How do you see the foundation of the Federation? S.E. I think it's a good thing, and I hope that it prospers. Ques. Has it been true to its goal? S.E. I haven't done much following of it since I left office, and that would have to be answered by the people who are in it now. Ques. How has it fostered? S.E. As far as my own feeling is concerned, I'm happy about it. I din't mention but I think one of the reasons was that there seemed to be a sort of a friction, not exactly a friction, but a coldness between the different Communities which was unnecessary. Some of them , like George who left here, you know, left a certain bad feeling behind, and those things, I think were wiped out by the union of the Federation. SAT Don't you think there was a kind of a spirit of rivalry for a while any- way, among all Communities? S.E. Yes, Yes, I think there was, and if the St. Joseph's would stick together, (laughing makes a few words here impossible to discern) which is good human nature. Now if you would fill in these forms for Sr. Margaret Quinn I will be glad. I will end up by saying that I'm an old lady, and I'v£ forgotten a lot. 1 6. SAT How old are you? S.E. Eighty-five SAT Well, you've got a tremendous memory, and I know this hard to do at this stage. S.E. Yes, because I haven't even thought of it , you know, for fifteen years. SAT Now, just for the record, you were in office from 19 S.E. 1954 to 1966, May 6th I think was the day SAT that you went into office S.E. the Superior General office (S.E. seems to be leafing through papers here, and she continues with the following remarks) Make a little introduction here to the Legacy that tells you a little bit about the formation here, I think. This is a re-print; it doesn't tell the translation that was made of the ascetical review and the mystique of the Order, and it gives the members of the committee here. It doesn't say..the working committee is here, and we are all proud of the different Communities (much noise). SAT I was going to ask you another question, because during your time you had the Congregation's history re-written. Did that have anything to do with the ______ because I notice in the back you have that chart that shows all the Communities that are an outgrowth of Carondelet. S.E. We just did that for our own benefit. It wasn't anything that we were doing together SAT for the other Communities. Well, I'll see how I can write this up. S.E. Oh, I'd be so happyiif-you would. SAT I'm not sure now that I'm going to get all this straight, but I'll do the best that I can. S.E And tell her I did the best I could. SAT All right, I'll do that. Are these your bulletin§? S.E No, they are from the archives. You have one of these. From this point on S. Eucharista seems to be making comments from back issues of Inter-Congregational Bulletins. She seems to be very tired because her words are slurred, and it is practically impossible to understand what she is saying.